Minutes
Attending: Matt Brookover, Judith Bush, Janemarie Duh, Heather Flanagan, Eric Goodman, Mary McKee, Steven Premeau, Mark Rank
With (Also Starring): David Bantz, IJ Kim, Johnny Lasker, Dave Shafer, David Walker, Ann West, Albert Wu, Steve Zoppi
Regrets: Keith Wessel
Agenda Bash
If anyone has objections to TAC’s deployment recommendations to Steering (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QzDPlPsMuEKCDnpY3cPdMcXnKRPs6RN4gkshNygcScc/edit), respond today, or it will be passed on to Steering as is.
Status Updates
- T&I and Ops Updates
- There’ll be some changes to the Federation Manager’s scoring for Baseline to ease some concerns that have been expressed by participants.
- eduroam is being rearchitected, possibly extended to K-12.
- (email) International Update, SeamlessAccess, and Browser Changes Updates
- Heather is conducting a webinar about the current browser issues: https://www.stm-assoc.org/events/web-browsers-privacy-and-your-publishing-platform-webinar/
- (email) Working and liaison group updates - including 2021 plan items
- CTAB: Baseline compliance is ~50%
- Janemarie sent email to the TAC requesting review of a draft note to the REFEDS SP group about InCommon’s federation testing working group.
Items of relevance to the TAC from pre-TNC, TNC, and (maybe) Identiverse
- Albert posted information about an IdP as a Service session in the Slack tac-discuss channel, which seems to be gone now. The Australian federation is working on a tool that might be useful to other federations in 2-3 years.
- Tac-discuss had a 14-day expiration for posts. It’s being changed to 90 days.
How to navigate large-scale change in federation
- Heather observed that federation seems to be at a tipping point.
- The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference by Malcolm Gladwell
- Mary: Regarding Baseline it’s easier to move good participants to great than horrible participants to fair.
- Albert: Are we focused on the right things (tactical vs. strategic)? Are we too tied to our legacy, so can’t respond to the future?
- Eric G: More than half of UC campuses want a specific request to release attributes. (Perhaps excluding R&S - which may invalidate my point)
- Judith: Federation 2.0 recognizes that attribute release is important, but access control is the real issue. It’s not just fixing the authentication login flow; only the home institutions can provide the information needed to support this.
- Albert: (At least at UC) IdP operations support both research and enterprise, and generally enterprise is the priority. Enterprise generally involves a bilateral contract; research does not.
- Eric G: We spend most of our time on what people don’t have/do (e.g., identifiers). Not clear what the alternative is, though.
- David W: The issue is how to include participants, perhaps in alternative ways or with reduced capability, that don’t necessarily do everything the way we think they should.
- Albert: Baseline moves horrible to fair. It doesn't address moving good to great.
- Mary: We need better outreach to convince people that we’re worth working with. We need to be having conversations with people who are just starting to explain how we can help.
- Mark: People just want to get to their goal. The “right” thing is lower priority. How do we reduce the friction for accomplishing those goals?
- What we should be / who we should serve is core to what we prioritize. Do we focus only on research? Expand to enterprise?
- Judith: What about branding? What does it mean to brand “InCommon” when other federations are involved?
- David W: It’s more than just branding. We need stronger international / interfederation coordination to get things deployed.
EMail Updates
Federation 2.0
Subject: | [TAC-InC] Federation 2.0 |
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Date: | Thu, 1 Jul 2021 15:46:54 +0000 |
From: | Bush,Judith |
Federation 2.0 anxiously looks at the end of July self imposed deadline.