CACTI notes of Tuesday, Oct 26.2021
Attending
Members
- Rob Carter, Duke, (Chair)
- Les LaCroix, Carleton College (Vice-Chair)
- John Bradley, Independent
- Margaret Cullen, Painless Security
- Matthew Economou, InCommon TAC Representative to CACTI
- Michael Grady, Unicon
- Barry Johnson, Clemson
Internet2
- Steve Zoppi
- David Walker
- Netta Caligari
Regrets
- Kevin Hickey
- Marina Krenz
- Kevin Morooney
- Chris Phillips
- Nicole Roy
- Ann West
Action Items
- David will start maintaining the Action Items section as extractions from the notes.
- David may look at the organization of the notes on the wiki.
- Rob will solicit questions from the group that would gather information from the community about where things are going over the next few years.
Discussion
Announcements and Updates
- What's useful and what's not w/r/t meeting notes
- David will start maintaining the Action Items section as extractions from the notes.
- David may look at the organization of the notes on the wiki.
- Group by year
- Make titles sortable by date
- Recruitment/nomination update
- Nominations close next Tuesday (11/2).
- There haven't been any CACTI nominations, yet.
- Rob has pinged a couple of people; he'll ping them again.
- Netta would like decisions sometime in November so people can be onboarded, but she can be flexible.
Community Update
- A topic of interest to CACTI from ACAMP 2021
- We're seeing a lot of CAMP attendees using Azure as a backend for Shibboleth (or some other SAML IdP)
- Shib/SAML/multilateral federation is still big, but other things (e.g., bilateral federation) are growing.
- Other, non-federation features of Trusted Access Platform becoming more important.
- Deriving a Vector From Here To The Future of Identity
- Multilateral has not caught on with big commercial identity providers. We haven’t been able to get them interested.
- We all have to do bilateral federation, anyway.
- It’s not profitable.
- What does this mean for InCommon?
- Steve: Profitability probably can’t be achieved by vendors. The question is, what are institutions willing to pay for?
- Institutions need both bilateral and multilateral federation.
- How can we architect things so that multilateral and bilateral federation can coexist more effectively.
- Rob: We need to think about what we want to achieve.
- What is wrong with Okta that’s right with Shib? We should measure that.
- This isn’t really the issue; Okta does what it does correctly.
- What Okta’s customers are not getting (i.e., R&E/multilateral federation) is the issue.
- What is wrong with Okta that’s right with Shib? We should measure that.
- How do we learn what people need?
- Do we need to do a lot of data gathering, or can we talk to a select set of individuals?
- Selecting those individuals would be a challenge.
- Is Research the only thing that needs multilateral federation?
- It’s really collaboration that needs it., but instruction often isn’t collaborative at large institutions.
- Instruction may be a better target for smaller institutions and K-12.
- InCommon income is no longer primarily from large institutions.
- Rob will solicit questions from the group that would gather information from the community about where things are going over the next few years.
- Multilateral has not caught on with big commercial identity providers. We haven’t been able to get them interested.
Next CACTI Meeting: Tuesday, November 9, 2021