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Fall 2005 Internet2 Meeting
Collaboration SIG session
Andrew Elble, aweits@rit.edu; Greg Monoco, greg@greatplains.net; Craig L=
ocatis, locatis@nlm.nih.gov; Bob Gerdes, gerdes@rutgers.edu; Anil Srivastav=
a, anil@acrossworld.com; John Yost, johny@bradley.edu; Joe Bishop, joe.bish=
op@manatech.com; Serge Lachapelle, serge@marratech.com; Parvati Dev, parvat=
i@stanford.edu; Darleene Heath, darleene@ncren.net; George Brett, ghb@inter=
net2.edu; Sanggyun Kim, sgkim@anf.ne.kr; Jonathon Tyman, tyman@internet2.ed=
u; Andrew Howard, andrew.howard@oarnet.odu.av; Juan C. Franco , jfranco1@wo=
rldbank.org; Boyd Knosp, boyd-knosp@uiowa.edu; Gurcharan Khanna, gurcharan.=
khanna@rit.edu;
Started about 20 after - 7:00 too early?
Agenda:
Welcome
*We are now a SIG not BOF
Mission Review
User perspective - what are the barriers, how to reach people, what works =
what doesn't, avoid fixing problems - what classes of technologies that are=
good/bad, cultural impacts - discipline or legacy systems. - Social comput=
ing - technology practice versus community attitudes.
Common platform - eat our own dog food
Admin Items
I2
Magic Minute
-Introduction and brief description of everyone's work.
We had three informal presentations from Parvati Dev, Jonathon Tyman and=
John Yost. Below is a summary of these presentations (rough notes)
Parvati Dev, Stanford University * Parvati is working to develop a virtu=
al community around anatomy. Anatomy is a discipline that fewer people (tha=
n in the past) are going into. Parvati's project seeks to address this issu=
e using distance teaching. She is developing a BOF in digital anatomy that =
will promote video conferencing with application sharing. She has worked wi=
th people at Michigan and around the world in this effort.
Social problems have been her biggest road block. Issues include working=
out meeting times with people in different time zone (timelines?) and mana=
ging complex sessions. Also the technology can be daunting (other issues?).=
Example of session complexity is a surgical demonstration which was had =
nodes in the operating, in a conference room and in a classroom.
Technology interest vs social interaction.
Her work includes working with Michigan (Ted Hanss) in teaching anatomy.=
Social issues are enormous/ Technology daunting/timelines are critical
Interested faculty in Anatomy should contact her?
Discussion (comments from SIG members):
-suggestion: - Eric Hofer's presentation has expectations and expectatio=
n management
- concept - preparation to virtual meetings and follow-up are key to nurt=
uring a successful collaboration.
- concept - usage scenarios with users are key, even help first 10 minute=
s of meeting.
- Research study - people like projected image to be just a little larger=
than life size this is based on a study reported two years ago.
- Concept - Want technology to disappear
- Craig - work on details - the room/ the interactions. - virtual audienc=
e often like interactions better than - instructor feedback view of audienc=
e is important and seems to increase
- Concept - TV level quality video and sound will help make video confere=
ncing more appealing to the technology generations.
*Medicine - instructional technology - develop a community around anatom=
y, difficulty to get faculty - people teach remotely - BOF in digital anato=
my - collaboration through video conferencing with application sharing - 1 =
person serves as moderator and communicates around the world - social probl=
ems - Managing Complexity session - 1. Communicating- 2 yrs ago - surgery d=
emo/serial imaging out of standard/OR- conference room - students
Technology interest vs social interaction.
Work with MI in teaching anatomy. With Ted Hanns
Social issues are enormous/ Technology daunting/timelines are critical
Anatomy interest?
-Idea - Eric Hofers presentation has expectations and expectation manageme=
nt
- idea - preparation to virtual meetings and follwup are key
- idea - usage scenarios with users are key, even help first 10 minutes o=
f meeting.
- Idea - people like image to be just a little larger than life size - pr=
ojected images - based on study reported two years ago - Jonathon
- Want technology to disappear
- Craig - work on details - the room/ the interactions. - virtual audienc=
e often like interactions better than - instructor feedback view of audienc=
e is important and seems to increase
Jonathon Tyman (Rough notes follow)
- I2 commons mission is to promote and facilitate remote collaboration
- Video technology h323 seems to work best, provides a gateway to SIP
- The commons has a bank of MCUs - 1 of everything (eg. Radvision, Polyco=
mm etc...)
- The commons is now supporting some desktop technology - 2 tools, one ea=
ch from Marratech and Wave3 are supported. These are multiplatform.
- The Commons also supporting Insors a commercial product that "makes the=
Access Grid usable".
- The commons runs servers for conference XP, Insors runs, unicast and mu=
lticast bridge a I2c and a gateway - Insors AG and H323
- H264 they have looked at
- The commons serves as a Test venue for vendors
- Jonathon's Mantra (or credo?) regarding collaboration technology- easy =
to use and reliable and affordable - quality not necessarily top priority.<=
/li>
- Jonathon feels that new collaborative technologies compete with phone -=
10 cents/minute
- Training - the commons has been holding training sessions with a couple=
of new twists:
o Advanced topics - training by Eric Hofer as first attempt by this - very=
well received.
o Virtual training - held two sessions this summer and had 89 people for t=
he first and 60 for the second.
- Next training scheduled during Vide conference in march
- Collaboration problem
- RTC advisory group formed at spring meeting - Jonathon is involved
- *problem with time zone issues
- *head of group not there - set up room correctly - multi camera/screen =
set up
- Still have bad video conferencing
- Meeting moderating is an important part of video conferencing success=
li>
- Request - The RTC advisory group is collecting case studies.
- Idea - ontology of events -
- Idea - media conditioned generation - production is important - good li=
ghting/audio - looks like a TV program - constituents like this way - watch=
when you want - Research Channel - should be multi-lingual
- Marratech is available for anyone - clients are free server is what is =
paid for i2 commons home page and download - ditto for ConfXP
- Insors - you buy that client
- Wave3 have own pricing -
- John Yost (Rough notes follow)
-technology does not solve all collaboration issues - brain imaging exampl=
e
-range of meetings on collaboration
-PKI - security is important for collaboration -trusted network security
-NIH/Educause - federated security and connection to industry
-MS says internet has big security problem
-emphasize pervasive computing
-Openness
-Virtual communities - boundaries - intellectual property issues
-Academics need to be less academic (quote)
-e.g. PKI meetings
-AIMC very strongly academic maybe too academic
-trust - involves more than technology - managerial
-trust - means boundaries - confidence and competence
-collaboration should be long term - continuity requirement
-trust involves leaders - participating minds - intelligent/ideas and info=
rmation
- competence/confidence/cooperation - needed for collaboration
-Federations can be done to reduce the bureaucracy -
-collaboration has some structure that protects what needs to be protected=
Collaboration is a major theme -PKI is important
Biz - emphasis on trust -collaboration should build confidence based on co=
mpetence
Action Notes
Monthly meetings?
5 people
Collaboration SIG requires continuity
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